“today, you have to know how to say ‘no’ more quickly”

La Croix-L’Hebdo : Do members of the Christian Executives Movement (MCC) feel the same way about the difficulties faced by executives today?

Martin Lesage: The MCC has been experiencing for several years the growing tension between the capital, the shareholders and the employees. I see it through the themes of reflection of our teams. And it is precisely to confidently share their doubts, their difficulties, even their pains, that our members get together.

Has the health crisis changed things?

ML: It is first of all the encyclical Laudato si’ of Pope Francis, in 2015, which marked a turning point: many teams took it up. Fratelli tutti, then, published in 2020, reinforced the reflection, by making the link between ecology and social. Even the least ecological have studied these texts and deepened the social teaching of the Church.

This reflection found its translation with the Covid. For some, it was an opportunity to afford new demands. Like going to 4/5e to devote themselves more to their children and to no longer give everything to their business. Often mothers, but also fathers who wish to telecommute to better support their wife during her pregnancy, or who no longer consider it irrelevant to take paternity leave. Mentalities are changing on the job.

Has this reflection enabled your members to be better equipped to tackle the health crisis?

ML: In any case, they had tools to do so. Many people around me, not necessarily believers, tell me that I am lucky to attend the MCC. But I know that others find similar reflections at the Christian Entrepreneurs and Leaders, at the Center for Young Leaders, in executive clubs, or even in everything that the world of the social and solidarity economy can offer. This human quest for “doing your job better” crosses many circles.

Some talk about executives, others about managers: how do you see this debate?

ML: We are already not a manager in the same way in a large group as in the public service or an SME… But if we do not have a single vision, we share a common search: that of trying to move from individual to collective, from “what can I do? » to « how to train others? “. This is true in the team, as in the company, but also in the Church. This is what Pope Francis asks of us: not to remain confined in a chapel but to build together.

Have you yourself been changed by your career at the MCC?

ML: If, at the age of 40, I branched off into a business in the cooperative world after having been manager of a cement works, it is precisely thanks to the MCC. And I realize how far I have evolved! Before, you had to “learn your skills” in large groups, and that’s what I did too. I was in the mold.

The MCC was for me the occasion of a multiplicity of small decisions which gradually moved me. But today, I can clearly see that there is an acceleration of the choices to be made. Maybe because business life is tougher or there are more tensions. In any case, we are, much more quickly than before, confronted with the need to say “no”.

Today, I’m happy to see 30-year-olds – even fresh out of school! – which appeal to us: “Why do you support this system? » Before, things were softer. Or were we just more sleepy, less tempted to change things.


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